Hello, CandiChatters.
A few weeks ago we engaged in conversation about our various menageries at home. I told you all about my cat Bob--I think. I know I wrote mostly about a cat named Mickey. But today I need to talk about Bob because something very sad has happened. While I've no reason to think he's dying, I am certain that he is gravely sick and the uncertainty of his recovery is a real concern. The irony is, this cat is using up his nine lives "like there is no tomorrow." Fate has a way of exacting cruel judgements on us and I don't know why my poor little cat is the instrument--he never did anything to anybody except be a wonderful cat to me.
Last nite, I saw him standing on his hind legs looking out a kitchen window. Nothing unusual about that. But around midnight, I was watching an HBO movie and he came to sit on my lap. There was a strong odor of cinnamon, which I couldn't figure out where it was coming from because the simmer pot in the room is rose scented. I was petting him when I ran my hand down his tail and felt the sticky stuff at the tip and found the origin of the cinnamon smell. Instantly, I suspected what had happened. While he was looking out the window, he inadvertently dipped the tip of his tail in the sludge of the simmer pot that was on the counter. As a rule, the pot is behind a lamp and there would be no way that a cat could get around the lamp, much less dip his tail in the pot. But there was paper and assorted things strewn on the counter and so Bob must've meandered in a way through the stuff and the simmer pot so that his tail took a dip when he was standing up. It was only a inch of his tail, but in that potent sludge, once a cat could start licking to groom himself, the results may be lethal--as I am finding out as I write.
Between the time he was at the window and the point where he dipped his tail till I discovered what had happened would've been over 4 hours for him to have licked the residue. At 4 in the morning he was gagging, but I was not yet particularly alarmed as I had no reason to think the simmer solution was toxic to animals. Or at least the label on the bottle said it was non-toxic.
I called the ASPCA poison hotline at about 8:45 a.m. today and talked to a vet about what Bob's condition appeared to be and what I suspected had happened. She explained that the potpourri is not as a rule fatal, it is however, caustic to cats. Meaning that I should not induce vomiting or possibly cause the chemical to reflux into his lungs and down his trachea and cause burns to his inner linings of the esophagus and elsewhere in the gastric passageways. She told me to take up all food and water and to call my vet tomorrow for further evaluation and supportive treatment. If I got concerned, I could call back as often as necessary. The initial fee to talk to the ASPCA vet is $50.
A couple of times during the day I thought the worst was behind me and that Bob was actually resting quietly. Then I decided to get out my Cornell Book of Cats and read up on poisoning in the cat. I didn't read anything that particularly alarmed me, but did notice the passage about constant drooling and panting. Two things that Bob was doing. While this may not be a huge concern and maybe normal for a cat that has ingested something distasteful, I didn't like the fact that it was not what he should be doing if indeed he was resting quietly. I called the ASPCA vet again, and this time was advised not to be alarmed, but that respiratory stress in a cat is a big concern--I should take him to my vet immediately or get to an emergency animal hospital. Which I have done by this writing. I wish I could've taken him to his regular vet, but I wasn't going to argue with the vet's advice. So I went north to Woodbridge, VA to the 24-hour hospital. I'm sorry I didn't go the first thing this morning because I could've spared Bob several hours of discomfort. Maybe this is a lesson to anyone--if it's not edible don't even waste time wondering if time is on your's and the cat's side. Assume it's not...
I left the hospital and left Bob there, too. The one thing that is certain, the damage to Bob had been done before I knew what had happened. The drooling and the panting come later, like clockwork, according to the time that has elapsed from the original ingestion of the chemical. Again, I could've just spared Bob several hours of discomfort, but the toxins are already in his bloodstream.
Which is what's discouraging. The intravenous fluids that he will be given won't be able to flush out the toxins. The medication he'll be receiving will be given to alleviate his pain from the chemical burns that I can't see and the other medicine will act as a wound dressing to the burns. And we're not out of the woods, yet. Apparently, within three days of the poisoning, there's the possibility of neurological damage, respiratory distress, seizures, or coma. Each cat reacts differently to a poisoning and who knows how potent the potpourri sludge he licked is to him. It's all bad. It's worse than the surgery he just had in January to reroute his urethra from the strictures that were causing his repeated bladder blockages. When it's a mechanical failure, the repair is easier to see. But when it's physical damage at the organic level, the repairs are costly and at the best prognosis is uncertain.
I don't want to be an alarmist, but I have to be prepared for what could be. If I articulate it now, maybe other CandiChat cats and dogs and goats will not need to suffer. As soon as you see signs of panting a drooling in your pets, don't wonder if it will go away on its own. Get to the vet immediately.
Regards, pat Brown
Oh Pat!
I am so very sorry. This is horrible. Poor Bob, he has been through so much already. I hope he fights this battle for his life and wins. Have you heard any more from the vets about his condition? Please let us know as soon as you can.
Bruno (my mastiff) and I will pray to St. Francis for Bob's recovery. Hope you won't be offended but Bruno is Catholic so that's who he prays to when any 2 or 4legger is in need.
Fate has a way of exacting cruel judgements on us and I don't know why my poor little cat is the instrument--he never did anything to anybody except be a wonderful cat to me. Regards, pat Brown
My thoughts exactly when my vet told me my beloved Bruno was going to die from bone cancer. This dog is a 204# mastiff but one fo the most gentle creatures you could meet.
sisu and Bruno the 3legged bone cancer patient, still alive after a leg amputation and 4 months of chemotherapy
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This is going to be a slow recovery, no doubt about it. But as of 1:00 p.m. today, Bob ate a tiny mouthful of "bad" food--Friskies turkey and giblets. As I'm trying to switch both my cats to a raw protein diet, getting either of them to get used to healthy food, versus food with all the carbs in it, is quite challenging. Given that he loves his carbs and his bad food, anything is worth getting him to try and eat something sort of solid. Also, he has a raspy sound in his throat from all of his gagging, but his lungs sound clear so maybe this bugaboo called a pulmonary edema will not be a problem. The vet told me that there are about 4 hurdles that we have to get through with this kind of injury: the first 12 hours of the acute reaction to the chemical ingestion; getting him to eat solid food; getting the ulcers to start healing; getting past any neurological or respirtatory depression.
He has an ulcer on the tip of his tongue and more under his tongue and the back of his throat is miserable to look at. They assume the worst is down his esophagus, but they can't see to be certain. Hmm. I'm surprised they don't try to use a scope, but maybe they want to minimize injury to the throat given it's current condition. Last nite I was told he was trying to breathe through his nose and he was drooling less. They definitely don't want to put in a feeding tube with the chance he's got more burns down his gullet. He's on something called Sucrafate which I gather is like a healing paste that acts like a "band-aid."
My husband and I are absolutely shell-shocked that this poor little cat could get clobbered with such a freak accident right on the heels of his recuperating from his surgery. I have a St. Francis medal for pets, so I do appreciate the good works St. Francis has done for our companion animals and creatures less fortunate. I've been "praying" to anybody's god who will listen and also trying to remind myself that it's my desire and my want to keep Bob. If my selfishness is wrong and causing him to suffer I have to be willing to love him enough to let him go to St. Francis' garden. And Bob might not mind that so much so long as there are blades of wheat grass on which he can nibble. The beauty about animals is that they live and don't think about what happens afterwards--this is a human thing.
But I'll tell you all this: I am so idiotic about my cats that as dismaying as Bob's misfortunes are (and let's be honest--expensive), he's just a charismatic member of this family. I can't resist a cat named Bob Brown. We probably have met someone named Bob Brown, but not a cat. I read that the average cost to keep a cat for a lifetime of about 14 years is roughly $7500 for all the shots, exams, food, toys, cat litter and minor surgeries. We don't think about the expense to keep a pet when we get the kitten or puppy because the cost to care for them is incremental and happens over several years. Unfortunately for Bob, while he was relatively inexpensive to keep for the first 9 years (though I've only had him for 4.5 because he was rescue kitty, this last half is exhausting his bank account. I guess that's why I always set aside a little money in my pet fund so that expenses like this accident and the surgery could be anticipated. But I wouldn't expect most folks to contemplate such health issues.
Thank you all for letting me write. I guess you wouldn't have much choice if you accidently opened one of my emails to the list, LOL!
----- Original Message ----- From: "sisu" sisupygmies@yahoo.com To: "pat brown" nqsqurtz@mail.staffnet.com Cc: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: Re: OT: Need to talk about my cat
Oh Pat!
I am so very sorry. This is horrible. Poor Bob, he has been through so much already. I hope he fights this battle for his life and wins. Have you heard any more from the vets about his condition? Please let us know as soon as you can.
Bruno (my mastiff) and I will pray to St. Francis for Bob's recovery. Hope you won't be offended but Bruno is Catholic so that's who he prays to when any 2 or 4legger is in need.
Fate has a way of exacting cruel judgements on us and I don't know why my poor little cat is the instrument--he never did anything to anybody except be a wonderful cat to me. Regards, pat Brown
My thoughts exactly when my vet told me my beloved Bruno was going to die from bone cancer. This dog is a 204# mastiff but one fo the most gentle creatures you could meet.
sisu and Bruno the 3legged bone cancer patient, still alive after a leg amputation and 4 months of chemotherapy
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Hi All, Pat, I am so sorry to hear about Bob. Hope he is doing better. Sisu, I was tickled by your note, just because I was wondering how you know Bruno is Catholic? Just curious. Although come to think of it, I am pretty sure every cat we ever owned was some form of atheist, as the only god they believed in was themselves. LOL
Kathy M.
At 09:57 AM 3/8/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Oh Pat!
I am so very sorry. This is horrible. Poor Bob, he has been through so much already. I hope he fights this battle for his life and wins. Have you heard any more from the vets about his condition? Please let us know as soon as you can.
Bruno (my mastiff) and I will pray to St. Francis for Bob's recovery. Hope you won't be offended but Bruno is Catholic so that's who he prays to when any 2 or 4legger is in need.
Fate has a way of exacting cruel judgements on us and I don't know why my poor little cat is the instrument--he never did anything to anybody except be a wonderful cat to me. Regards, pat Brown
My thoughts exactly when my vet told me my beloved Bruno was going to die from bone cancer. This dog is a 204# mastiff but one fo the most gentle creatures you could meet.
sisu and Bruno the 3legged bone cancer patient, still alive after a leg amputation and 4 months of chemotherapy
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Pat,
How is Bob? I hope no news is good news?
Sisu, I was tickled by your note, just because I was wondering how you know Bruno is Catholic? Just curious.
Bruno is on a list with other mastiffs and he told them he is "calf-lick". Actually, when he was a puppy we took him to a Blessing of the Animals, they had 2 lines, one for the priest and one for a minister (can't remember which religion), he got in the priest line. He posted to his mastiff list that he was baptised. A month later we brought him 650 miles to visit my parents and brought him to a Mass in the Park. Good thing we did, he's only 4 and dying from cancer.
Although come to think of it, I am pretty sure every cat we ever owned was some form of atheist, as the only god they believed in was themselves. LOL Kathy M.
My cats are the same way.
sisu
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I bet the minister was an Episcopalian...they're very big on St. Francis & the blessing of the animals....more so than the Catholics I think ........... Pat Hawkins On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 08:35 PM, sisu wrote:
Blessing of the Animals, they had 2 lines, one for the priest and one for a minister (can't remember which religion)
I hope all of your pets get well. We just this week had to 'put to sleep' our precious old little schnauzer, Buster. He suddenly couldn't move his hind legs in spite of all kinds of med. help such as steroids & the like. On xray it was seen that sev. of his spinal discs had fused from arthritis, the pads were worn away from others & they were rubbing together, & bony spurs were on others. The vet was amazed he'd gotten along so well till now . He was far pass surgical help & in much pain. We don't know his age as his orig. owners moved away & just left him behind. ( there'll be a special place in hell for people who are so rotten to animals) We had just gotten a shepherd mix male dog, 2 yrs old. 'Bono'.... from our next door neighbors who were moving & didn't want him anymore. ( I'd called their vet, He hadn't been seen since getting his puppy shots from them & was a wild child, we couldn't even catch him for days to get him to the vet to be neutered & updated on shots). Have another female dog, Sammy & 2 cats that had also belonged to these same neighbors..they weren't going to neuter them either nor give them the shots. The cats own the downstairs & the dogs upstairs as they don't mix well . Pat Hawkins
On Tuesday, March 9, 2004, at 08:35 PM, sisu wrote:
Pat,
How is Bob? I hope no news is good news? Bruno is on a list with other mastiffs..... he's only 4 and dying from cancer.
sisu
I just went to a small doll show in Anniston, Al. I don't know why Alabama doesn't support doll shows better. Tho there was a small number of dealers, they had an eclectic mix of nice doll stuff. But the number of people who came was low. I rode with 3 other 'girls' & the trip was fun in itself , we ate out at 2 diff. nice restaurants by the time the day was over. Between us , we had bought Sonja Heine (?) dolls & clothes, doll furniture both big & little sizes, vintage & new Barbies, unmarked , but old dolls, ...The only thing close to a Candi doll was one outfit from Mikelman shoot I forget what all we bought , but going to a show like this with friends is fun. Afterwards we went antiquing & found some doll stuff there too Pat H.
Indeed, no news is good news. Much to my surprise, when I called yesterday morining I was told Bob could come home, so I picked him up last nite. He was most interested in eating the Friskies turkey and giblets "bad" food and was working hard to nibble during Monday. I guess by Tuesday he was holding down more food and that was what the vets were waiting to have him do--eat solid food.
He's on something called Carafate, which I believe may have a carbon component in it and it has lidocaine in it, too, to take out the pain from the ulcers. And he's on another antibiotic for dental and mouth infections.
He didn't feel too great when he came home last nite and threw up a few times. It may have been more excitement than anything else. This morning he ate and was able to keep food down.
I was not expecting to have him come home before today, so I am greatly relieved by this development. I've got him isolated in the kitchen and away from Sassie, who is determined she wants to Kill the Sick Thing.
It really helped to be able to write my thoughts to the List and I appreciate all of your supportive words back to me. I think Bob is on the mend and he thanks you all, too, for bolstering me during this scare. Regards, pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "sisu" sisupygmies@yahoo.com To: "mroczko" mroczko@verinet.com Cc: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: Re: OT: Need to talk about my cat
Pat,
How is Bob? I hope no news is good news?
Sisu, I was tickled by your note, just because I was wondering how you know Bruno is Catholic? Just curious.
Bruno is on a list with other mastiffs and he told them he is "calf-lick". Actually, when he was a puppy we took him to a Blessing of the Animals, they had 2 lines, one for the priest and one for a minister (can't remember which religion), he got in the priest line. He posted to his mastiff list that he was baptised. A month later we brought him 650 miles to visit my parents and brought him to a Mass in the Park. Good thing we did, he's only 4 and dying from cancer.
Although come to think of it, I am pretty sure every cat we ever owned was some form of atheist, as the only god they believed in was themselves. LOL Kathy M.
My cats are the same way.
sisu
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Hi, Pat! Hey, that is great news! So glad to hear that Bob is on the mend. Keep us posted on his recovery!
Leanne "Barbie Brat" :-) ;-) "The only way to have to a friend is to be one."
----- Original Message ----- From: "pat brown" nqsqurtz@mail.staffnet.com Cc: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: Re: OT: Need to talk about my cat, pt. 3
Indeed, no news is good news. Much to my surprise, when I called
yesterday
morining I was told Bob could come home, so I picked him up last nite. He was most interested in eating the Friskies turkey and giblets "bad" food
and
was working hard to nibble during Monday. I guess by Tuesday he was
holding
down more food and that was what the vets were waiting to have him do--eat solid food.
He's on something called Carafate, which I believe may have a carbon component in it and it has lidocaine in it, too, to take out the pain from the ulcers. And he's on another antibiotic for dental and mouth
infections.
He didn't feel too great when he came home last nite and threw up a few times. It may have been more excitement than anything else. This
morning
he ate and was able to keep food down.
I was not expecting to have him come home before today, so I am greatly relieved by this development. I've got him isolated in the kitchen and
away
from Sassie, who is determined she wants to Kill the Sick Thing.
It really helped to be able to write my thoughts to the List and I appreciate all of your supportive words back to me. I think Bob is on the mend and he thanks you all, too, for bolstering me during this scare. Regards, pat Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "sisu" sisupygmies@yahoo.com To: "mroczko" mroczko@verinet.com Cc: candichat@dolls.de Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: Re: OT: Need to talk about my cat
Pat,
How is Bob? I hope no news is good news?
Sisu, I was tickled by your note, just because I was wondering how you know Bruno is Catholic? Just curious.
Bruno is on a list with other mastiffs and he told them he is "calf-lick". Actually, when he was a puppy we took him to a Blessing of the Animals, they had 2 lines, one for the priest and one for a minister (can't remember which religion), he got in the priest line. He posted to his mastiff list that he was baptised. A month later we brought him 650 miles to visit my parents and brought him to a Mass in the Park. Good thing we did, he's only 4 and dying from cancer.
Although come to think of it, I am pretty sure every cat we ever owned was some form of atheist, as the only god they believed in was themselves. LOL Kathy M.
My cats are the same way.
sisu
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Hi Pat, This makes me so sad. I am so sorry. Please keep us posted on his progress. I will pray for you and your little fellow. Hugs, ***********************
pat brown nqsqurtz@mail.staffnet.com wrote: Hello, CandiChatters.
A few weeks ago we engaged in conversation about our various menageries at home. I told you all about my cat Bob--I think. I know I wrote mostly about a cat named Mickey. But today I need to talk about Bob because something very sad has happened. While I've no reason to think he's dying, I am certain that he is gravely sick and the uncertainty of his recovery is a real concern. The irony is, this cat is using up his nine lives "like there is no tomorrow." Fate has a way of exacting cruel judgements on us and I don't know why my poor little cat is the instrument--he never did anything to anybody except be a wonderful cat to me.
Last nite, I saw him standing on his hind legs looking out a kitchen window. Nothing unusual about that. But around midnight, I was watching an HBO movie and he came to sit on my lap. There was a strong odor of cinnamon, which I couldn't figure out where it was coming from because the simmer pot in the room is rose scented. I was petting him when I ran my hand down his tail and felt the sticky stuff at the tip and found the origin of the cinnamon smell. Instantly, I suspected what had happened. While he was looking out the window, he inadvertently dipped the tip of his tail in the sludge of the simmer pot that was on the counter. As a rule, the pot is behind a lamp and there would be no way that a cat could get around the lamp, much less dip his tail in the pot. But there was paper and assorted things strewn on the counter and so Bob must've meandered in a way through the stuff and the simmer pot so that his tail took a dip when he was standing up. It was only a inch of his tail, but in that potent sludge, once a cat could start licking to groom himself, the results may be lethal--as I am finding out as I write.
Between the time he was at the window and the point where he dipped his tail till I discovered what had happened would've been over 4 hours for him to have licked the residue. At 4 in the morning he was gagging, but I was not yet particularly alarmed as I had no reason to think the simmer solution was toxic to animals. Or at least the label on the bottle said it was non-toxic.
I called the ASPCA poison hotline at about 8:45 a.m. today and talked to a vet about what Bob's condition appeared to be and what I suspected had happened. She explained that the potpourri is not as a rule fatal, it is however, caustic to cats. Meaning that I should not induce vomiting or possibly cause the chemical to reflux into his lungs and down his trachea and cause burns to his inner linings of the esophagus and elsewhere in the gastric passageways. She told me to take up all food and water and to call my vet tomorrow for further evaluation and supportive treatment. If I got concerned, I could call back as often as necessary. The initial fee to talk to the ASPCA vet is $50.
A couple of times during the day I thought the worst was behind me and that Bob was actually resting quietly. Then I decided to get out my Cornell Book of Cats and read up on poisoning in the cat. I didn't read anything that particularly alarmed me, but did notice the passage about constant drooling and panting. Two things that Bob was doing. While this may not be a huge concern and maybe normal for a cat that has ingested something distasteful, I didn't like the fact that it was not what he should be doing if indeed he was resting quietly. I called the ASPCA vet again, and this time was advised not to be alarmed, but that respiratory stress in a cat is a big concern--I should take him to my vet immediately or get to an emergency animal hospital. Which I have done by this writing. I wish I could've taken him to his regular vet, but I wasn't going to argue with the vet's advice. So I went north to Woodbridge, VA to the 24-hour hospital. I'm sorry I didn't go the first thing this morning because I could've spared Bob several hours of discomfort. Maybe this is a lesson to anyone--if it's not edible don't even waste time wondering if time is on your's and the cat's side. Assume it's not...
I left the hospital and left Bob there, too. The one thing that is certain, the damage to Bob had been done before I knew what had happened. The drooling and the panting come later, like clockwork, according to the time that has elapsed from the original ingestion of the chemical. Again, I could've just spared Bob several hours of discomfort, but the toxins are already in his bloodstream.
Which is what's discouraging. The intravenous fluids that he will be given won't be able to flush out the toxins. The medication he'll be receiving will be given to alleviate his pain from the chemical burns that I can't see and the other medicine will act as a wound dressing to the burns. And we're not out of the woods, yet. Apparently, within three days of the poisoning, there's the possibility of neurological damage, respiratory distress, seizures, or coma. Each cat reacts differently to a poisoning and who knows how potent the potpourri sludge he licked is to him. It's all bad. It's worse than the surgery he just had in January to reroute his urethra from the strictures that were causing his repeated bladder blockages. When it's a mechanical failure, the repair is easier to see. But when it's physical damage at the organic level, the repairs are costly and at the best prognosis is uncertain.
I don't want to be an alarmist, but I have to be prepared for what could be. If I articulate it now, maybe other CandiChat cats and dogs and goats will not need to suffer. As soon as you see signs of panting a drooling in your pets, don't wonder if it will go away on its own. Get to the vet immediately.
Regards, pat Brown
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